Brockmanian Declaration

Dr. Spank · Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: Brockmanian Declaration

Since it will become fairly evident soon I thought I'd say this now to avoid (or more aptly promote) confusion. For the past 2 to 5 turns I've been playing 4 seperate groups with their own individual goals, knowledge bases and resources. These are the Phoenix, the Bloodspeakers as they have been called (Team Anzai as Michael has dubbed them), the Shadowlands "Expatriots," and Murasame (in ROTD).

This was done first becuase they were either characters created by me, or characters/forces that have fallen under my control, and second so that Michael could claim impartiality, unbias, and innocense in some of the actions taking place against the other players. (I, personally, was happy to allow Michael to take the blame, though undeservingly, for my actions as I felt it fair based on a certain game of Mario Kart that shall never be spoken of.)

As I said they have different aspirations and knowledge bases. So, for instance, when Joel told me that he was moving his navy to destroy the "shadowlands" navy in the Mantis Isles I did not let that affect my decision in how I would play those forces, as I assume that this would have been shared with Mazumi, and not his target. Likewise Mazumi has no clue what Anzai has been up too for the past 8-10 months.

Ultimately it will be up to you guys as the other players in the game whether you trust me as a player to talk about issues at hand w/o fear of the "enemy" getting the info. I would request that as much that can happen IG, do so, instead of OOG to avoid any confusion. This is why I have requested on multiple ocasions that "you ask Mazumi in game" about something instead of with me via email out of game.

If you guys choose to slaughter the Phoenix (or Murray) in game for what the shadowlands are doing I obviously can't stop you, just realize what your characters are addressing in game, because my characters will only react to those things, not to your taunting and discussions with me OOG. Paul has done a very good job of this with me to date, while Joel on the other had has not. Razz

This will involve a little more role-playing on everyone's part, but since I know you all do it anyway (despite your mother's threats of impending blindness) I don't think this will be a big deal, and hope that it adds some depth to the game.

So to sum up:

Phoenix: Good
Anzai: Self-interested (i.e. bad for you black & white types)
Murasame: Good
Shadowlands Expatriots: Bad

Or so they would all claim by self admission. Very Happy

See you all on the battle field!

Juan Valdez · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

OOG: Talkin smack

IG: The last thing Toyotomi knows (and I'm assuming most of the other clans) Isawa Anzai was Phoenix, she showed up at a Phoenix location, and wore the colors of the Phoenix. Mazumi's latest letter even include Anzai as a member of the Phoenix. Maybe he's duped too, but the Phoenix are going to bear the brunt of that unless he can come up with a way show that she's not.

The Bloodspeakers, that's up to you, but so far I think everyone but Scotty will be after you on that front. ROTD, can't say, not there.

As far as the Shadowlands, they turned back on the Crab, after the GM pretty well implied that they would not any time in the immediate future. You'll just have to deal with Chase (and 10,000 pissed off Crab) on that one.
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PG · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject:

OOG: And this is precisely why the Lion are going after the Phoenix. As far as they can tell in game based on what limited knowledge has been given them, it all seems like one big motley crew to them. Plus I don't particularly like to make distinctions between a player playing both good and bad roles in the same game. For the GM I don't mind but not with other players. It means I can never fully trust that player to keep things straight so I'm not willing to take that risk.

Juan Valdez · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Brockmanian Declaration

Don The Anvil · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject:

Juan Valdez · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject:

I never said they would turn back on that first turn. If you'll read my post, I said Chase. Chase was implied to (not directly told as far as I can tell) that the Shadowlands were moving against other Clans to give him a chance to "interact" with other Clans rather than spend all his time being a buffer against the Shadowlands. Did I bitch that the Shadowlands were attacking Crane lands? No. Did I bitch that the Shadowlands were attacking Mantis lands? No. Read the post.

Sure there can be infighting inside a Clan, but IG we have seen little to nothing suggesting that the Phoenix are against Anzai. In fact most recently Mazumi listed her as a mmeber of the Phoenix Clan. After Murasame died the Phoenix were given, what I'm sure the Lion, Dragon, Unicorn, Mantis, Crane and Crab, ample opportunity to come clean and remove their corruption. her continued perception as corrupt and the Phoenix lack of addressing the situatioin have brought the decision to he other Clans and they have made their decision.
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Michael · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject:

Don The Anvil · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject:

PG · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject:

People can infight in their own clan all they want. And as far as I am concerned, Inari is as guilty as the rest of his clan is whether Inari was also tricked by his own clan or not.

The Lion are on a witchhunt so to speak. You roleplay your way and we'll roleplay our way. There's nothing saying that I have to give every other player an opportunity to roleplay things out the way they want to without regard for what I would like to do. I'd like to think that most of us have been pretty darn lenient with Jon in particular about all his roleplaying. He's more or less been free to do as he pleased up until recently. Sure lots of threats were made to the Phoenix but were they ever wiped out? No. Will the still be wiped out? Its not certain. I'd like to think that I've been more than fair with them based upon the course that the game has taken thus far.

We still have a dynamic game. Situations change in the ebb and flow of a game. If people can roleplay and scheme multiple good and bad guy paths then have at it but I don't want flak for choosing to make my clan act unreasonable if that's my choice. Players actions have affected my plans so you better believe that my actions will affect other players in kind.

Michael · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:

I'm going with Paul on this one. Let's try and keep this In Character if possible. Certain clans are going to be willing to make the distinction between Clan members, some clans are not. I think Paul is perfectly within his rights to say that the Lion have all the eveidence they need, and the whole Phoenix are corrupt, the best way to go is to tear the tree out by the roots and start over. It fits their style, their character, and their interpretation of Honor. Brockman has even said he's fine with that happening.

The Regent may be willing to deal with each group seperately as he tries to balance a complex situation. The fact that the Lion don't want to deal with way will cause friction, but lets try to keep it in-game between Hoto and Hideaki, rather than have comments OOG that players aren't good roleplayers enough to handle it.
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PG · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject:

And for the record just because I want this to not be used against me, the Lion invading Isawa was to destroy troops I couldn't pay for after Michael had used them to rescue Tesomi the previous round.

But then again I never saw the peace talks anyway so I acted how anyone under dire financial difficulties would hehe.

Don The Anvil · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:

Michael · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject:

I'm sure that, In game, Toyotomi would say the Phoenix have had months to clean up their act. I'm sure that, In Game, Mazumi would say he's been kinda busy meeting with Clan Champions, working with the Regent, and trying to keep his Clan alive and didn't have time to investigate boogeymen under the bed stories. Now that Anzai has "Outed" herself, he'll probably jump to the front line of people calling to kill her.

In game, the Lion have already called that Unicorn crap and said they don't distinguish. Kinda in-game, the Dragacorn have as well.

But I always weclome tirades against Joel! Angel

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Juan Valdez · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:

The leadership changed on Turn 8? It is now Turn 15? This is what I consider the Lion's assault on the Phoenix. I try to grant a one Turn reprieve for leftover troops, miscommunication, lack of a complete treaty. Turn 9 to 15 is more than ample time. When the Gaijin stepped into Phoenix lands that just added a whole new mess to an already existing mess, but it did give the Phoenix more time to prove themselves to the other Clans.

My "complaint" was that the Shadowlands troops under Michael's control had lead Chase to believe OOG that there wouldn't be any attacks on him for a little while. We'll have to wait and see what's going on in Yasuki since Michael hasn't posted it yet.
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asa · Primordial Joined: 01 Jan 1970 Posts: 342

Yeah, the wording in the constitution is somewhat vague as far as what "Pulling back" means, I really took it to be that they will only defend what they have until driven out. The big reason that was put in, after all, was the impression that I've been constantly beleagured by shadowlands, and I can't participate in military actions anywhere else. Apparently thats still the case.

No matter, apparently Yasuki is okay for one more turn, although I doubt that will last for long since I can't reinforce that front. Ph34r teh 1337 cr4B N4VY. (Although my retreating troops would have helped if they had got through.)